3.3 Change: Eclipse BUFFED?!
by Sunfyre on Dec.02, 2009, under General
According to MMO Champion, the following was added to the patch notes:
Spell "Eclipse" not found. now increases damage done by Wrath by 40% (up from 30%) and the critical chance of Starfire by 40% (up from 30%)
I guess they are trying to compensate for nerfing 2pc T8. I definately did NOT see this one coming.
Thoughts?
I’m glad they’re attempting to fix the damage disparity. I am sure that 4pc T9 or T10 will be a huge boost in DPS. I really wish they would have tried to find a way to do it without putting more eggs in the proverbial Eclipse basket, but I’m not going to look a gift horse in the mouth.
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Latest on Thu, 09:38 pm: They just updated the 4pc T13 again. 10% Bonus damage and 5 seconds reduced CD.
: Btw, it's not worth it to acctually refresh your dot when it proc...just play as if it's a normal weap... The 2,5 sec you loose refreshing your dot could have been used to get more eclipse utpime and thus benefiting from Nature's grace, which is more important.
: It pretty much averages out to 300 haste all the time, which isnt bad, but you're right it's hard to predict when it'll proc and casting dots accordingly. I feel the extra haste to the raid is worth it though.
: our 4 set bonus has been changed to 10% increased starsurge dmg
: Buffing T13 4 piece set bonus! Yay we can finally use our new tier set.
December 2nd, 2009 on 8:40 am
Not sure why, but I was also expecting something that would have affected baseline dps. This change is consistent with the Blizz MO of incorporating old set bonuses into glyphs and talents to ease transition.
Here’s hoping we don’t have to run around too much in ICC.
December 2nd, 2009 on 10:20 am
I wasnt really expecting much less, i mean, they’ve clearly stated that they want Eclipse to stay…, so buffing it seems the right direction to go.
December 2nd, 2009 on 10:36 am
To be honest, I kind of did see this coming. I was expecting on the order of a 5% buff, but I definitely won’t complain about 10%.
Reading further into this, this is Blizzard’s way of saying “yes, we are definitely sticking with Eclipse as the center of the Balance rotation”. Despite many moonkin whining about how RNG-dependent the talent is, I do like and enjoy it.
That said, I won’t be surprised if they bump the lunar Eclipse proc chance to 70% or so.
December 2nd, 2009 on 10:59 am
I agree the proc rate needs adjusted. Especially with the wise eclipse break. I still am troubled to find ANY other class that has so much dps wrapped into 3 measly talent points (with the exception of moonkin form, shadow form, etc.)
December 2nd, 2009 on 11:44 am
I don’t think that’s the appropriate way to look at it. Every class has “mandatory” talent points that greatly increase DPS. Fire mages have Hot Streak and Ignite, arms warriors have Sudden Death and Taste for Blood, we have Eclipse and Nature’s Grace. These three examples have the majority of their DPS coming from a few talents. Other classes (destruction warlocks, for example) have a majority of their DPS coming from a lot of different talents.
Also, the proc rate needs adjusted because it’s a very low proc rate (60% * crit), NOT because of WiseEclipse. They should not balance the game around an addon that they broke. That was, essentially, player-added functionality, not something Blizz designed into the game.
December 2nd, 2009 on 12:13 pm
Sure Wise eclipse was taking advantage of mechanics, but we needed it to stay competitive in dps. I’m glad they gave us another way to compensate without needing it.
December 2nd, 2009 on 3:18 pm
They kiiind of gave us a passive T8 bonus. This way we can use T9 or T10 4piece without having to keep around our t8 bonus.
That’s a good buff. Gladly accepted.
Would you guys explain to me why Moonfury isnt considered by developpers to get buffed in a way? its a pretty simple talent, we dont really avoid it when talenting stuff and it could just be an upgrade like 15% damage instead of 10%. Yes? no? I’m stoopzid?
December 2nd, 2009 on 6:41 pm
Most classes and specs get a static 10% increased damage or healing at some point in the talent tree. If they increased ours, everyone else would be up in arms. Much easier to increase something like Earth and Moon or Master Shapeshifter, as Graylo suggested, or our central damage source, as Blizzard did.
December 2nd, 2009 on 7:50 pm
The change is obviously well for making up for the fixes last week. I would have been sad if they would have left it at that. Some form of buff was to be expected, or the moonkin community would have been I’m (an even bigger uproar).
But while it buffs us, it first fix us. I am so close to the crit cap, and in 3.3 with the new idol I would be about 2.5% away from 100%, and I might still catch some upgrades before ICC (hopefully next week). I would really like to see a change that would make haste valuable again, now that we stand to gain less from crit (when we go above the cap, just like with haste).
We probably won’t see that with 3.3, but maybe they will tweak us a bit when new parts of ICC is released and we start complaining even more about our caps
December 2nd, 2009 on 10:42 pm
So incoming days? more changes? or do you guys think this is blizzard’s final answer to “will moonkins be competitive in 3.3?”
December 3rd, 2009 on 3:28 am
I dont think we will see any more changes if 3.3 actually comes out next week. The current patch on PTR is classed as the release client. That doesn’t make it sure, but if Blizzard doesn’t put out the patch next week, we probably wont see it before january.